Showing posts with label Aaron Rodgers. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Aaron Rodgers. Show all posts

Sunday, May 9, 2010

C Scores for Current Quarterbacks

I thought it might be illustrative to show you C scores for all the quarterbacks who qualified in 2009.  With Kurt Warner retiring at the end of last season, it is certain that not all of them will qualify again in 2010, and, almost assuredly some of the remaining won't qualify in 2010.  The difficulty in looking at these players is their body of work.  Not all of them will have a C7 score, our standard measure.  That being said however, it is still worth a look.  Instead of simply limiting the list to those that have a C7 score, we will look at all of their C scores (C1, C4, C7 and C10).

Here's what the list looks like:


Not too many surprises here.

Did you expect someone other than Peyton Manning to be the best passer in the game today?  If you did, I'd love to hear from you, and I'd like to see the analysis.  Peyton Manning is one of the all-time best (see here and here), and most certainly the greatest passer of his era.  Based on C7, I currently have him 7th all-time (C7 of 644), right behind both Fran Tarkenton and Len Dawson who are tied for sixth at 646.  He has an outside chance (I'd say about 25%) of catching Sammy Baugh, who is 5th with a C7 of 654.

In the article I wrote on Kurt Warner (see here), I showed that Warner compares favorably to players like Drew Brees, and Tom Brady.  In my recent post formally introducing C scores I suggested that as far as the Hall of Fame, that Warner appears to be right on the fence.  I certainly would make the argument that Ken Anderson should be in before Warner.

In that same article I also discussed Tom Brady and Drew Brees.  I think if they both played long enough that they would both be in the HOF, and I'm fairly certain that Brees would end up as the better passer.

As far as the next group of players, certainly Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers appear to be on their way to becoming good passers, although they've still got a few years ahead of them before we can make any definitive statements.

And finally, looking further out in to the future, I'd say that Matt Schaub is an up-and-comer, and, really taking a flyer, perhaps Aaron Rodgers can parlay his early success to be considered a great passer.  Only time will tell.

Saturday, March 14, 2009

Does Experience Improve Performance?

In my earlier post, "First Year Performance - An Evaluation Method", I discussed how, over the history of the NFL, from 1940-2008, a quarterback's passing performance, as measured using CMI, and more specifically, the standard deviation from the mean of CMI, changes over time (in that post, see in particular the third graphical illustration labeled "CMI - SDs from Mean - By Qualifying Year").  That illustration pointed out that it takes about 5 years for a quarterback to become "average" (or, better than average).  That's obviously only true for quarterbacks who qualify in at least that many years.  Meaning that since the graphical illustration includes all quarterbacks (who have thrown enough passes to qualify in at least 1 year), that the earlier years could be biased by quarterbacks who only qualify in  those earlier years, and not the later ones.  

This is the issue pointed out by a commenter regarding that post.  He (she) was suggesting that I have a biased sample, in that the later years are only populated by quarterbacks who throw for that many years, and hence, performance should be expected to improve, as the NFL weeds out the under-performers of the earlier years.

Here's the comment:
"This effect could be due to sampling bias.  It may be that there are a large pool of first year QBs.  Some are good and some are bad.  The good ones make it to year four, and the bad ones are cut, released, or benched before they can play four years...."

He (she) then went on to ask the following question:

"...if you restrict the analysis to only QBs that have played >= 4 years, do you get the same result?"

Before I answer the question, let's address the comment.  

First, the commenter does make a very valid (and what would seem to be an obvious) point, in that those QBs that make it to year 5 and beyond, must necessarily be the better ones, as the under-performers drop-off.  This point has several implications though.  The first is that the NFL does not look at quarterbacks (or, more accurately, their passing performance) the way I do.  So we can't simply assume that the point is in fact that obvious.  Second, perhaps the way I look at quarterbacks passing performance, CMI, is in fact, a decent (good?) measure of a their true passing ability, and, the graph validates that fact (this would be rather presumptuous of course, but that is what I am trying to prove after all - that I have, in fact, developed a method that appropriately evaluates a QBs passing performance, and, perhaps even more importantly, that I have developed a method by which one can identify a good passer versus a poor passer early on).

Second, the commenter suggests that my sample is biased because of this fact (i.e. it is biased towards the better players in the later years).  There are two ways we can look at that.  The first is that the sample isn't biased because it uses the entire population.  In other words it is what it is (and perhaps this again validates my measurement technique).  The second point is that the sample is biased (remember, however, the context in which the graphical illustration was shown - in that it was trying to look at all quarterbacks, and how their performances changed over time), and that we can, if we choose to do so, look at it differently.  This is, in fact, what the commenter was suggesting with their question.

So let's take a look.  As a matter of fact, let's take the question a bit further and look at it in four different groupings:  

QBs qualifying in at least 1 year (the original graph) - 345 Quarterbacks
QBs qualifying in at least 3 or more years - 180 Quarterbacks
QBs qualifying in at least 5 or more years - 121 Quarterbacks
QBs qualifying in at least 7 or more years - 84 Quarterbacks

The graphical illustration is followed by a tabular display of the same data.



There's no question about it.  Performance improves as a quarterback gains experience.  All groupings follow the same basic pattern:  Sub-par performance in year 1, followed by several years of gradually improving performance.  When the improvement takes place, and by how much, does vary by group.  For example, after three years, teams still haven't been able to markedly separate the good quarterbacks from the bad ones.  By the fifth year, it's now quite apparent who has "cut it", and who hasn't.  For all quarterbacks qualifying in at least 7 or more years, they appear to show their skill, or differentiate themselves, as early as year two.  So, to prove the obvious point that the commenter in the previous post making, those that don't turn in positive performances early do tend to get weeded out.  The process, however, happens to take a few years.

The question this prompts however, is, why does it take so long to weed out the poor performers?  

Well, there are at least two different answers.  

The first, something I alluded to earlier, is that the NFL doesn't evaluate passers the way I do.  I am a statistical analyst, and what I have created is a an objective methodology to evaluate a player's performance.  Teams in the NFL, aren't inclined to do the type of statistical analysis that I do.  In addition, it's just simply not clear, even using my statistical methods, that you can be sure that you can identify the good and bad future quarterbacks after year 1.  By year 2, however, year 3 the latest, my method does show who the keepers should be.

The second is, that teams pay a lot of supposedly smart people (scouts, GMs, etc) a lot of money to evaluate, and draft good talent.  Subsequently, these teams draft these "talented" players early in the draft, and pay them lofty sums of money, a lot of which is guaranteed.  Now what do you do?  You've got a poor-performing team (generally, a team's draft order is determined by their won-loss record, with the teams with poorer records drafting earlier, and vice-versa) that just drafted the next "Peyton Manning", and have paid them a lot of money, and they have a lousy first year.  You're not likely to blame the young quarterback for that year's performance.  The team still has a lot of weaknesses elsewhere, so you pick early again the next year (perhaps shoring up the defense).  Second year passing performance is better than the first, but still not better than average.  You even ignore the statistical evidence (he can't be that bad).  You're still paying him lots of money, you've seen improvement, team has won perhaps a couple of more games, and this gives you hope that, the third year is THE YEAR.  Then, much to your dismay, the quarterback that you paid millions of dollars for, doesn't pan out as you have another miserable year (the teams is "close" to 0.500).  You get impatient,  fire the head coach, try an aging veteran as your quarterback, he has a decent year, a quarterback controversy brews, ya da ya da ya da....and, you continue to ignore the statistical evidence....

Just off the top of my head, I can think of several recent obvious examples - Alex Smith of the Forty Niners (and, proving the corollary, the approach taken by the Green Bay Packers with Aaron Rodgers), and JaMarcus Russell of the Oakland Raiders.

Here are three quarterbacks that the NFL, teams, and fans, have fallen in love with, but, statistically have yet to prove themselves.

Eli Manning (I can hear the argument - but they won the Superbowl)

So there you have it.  My method is the Moneyball approach.  What actually happens in the NFL is quite different.  NFL teams could save themselves a lot of money (and perhaps even win a few more games) if they were to adopt a statistical approach to their business (I think a lot of NFL teams actually believe they take a statistical approach, but I don't think that most actually go through rigorous analyses the way I do).  

My next post will be my preseason rankings for 2009.

Sunday, December 7, 2008

Crazy, Debatable and Lucky

Today, the Green Bay Packers lost at home to the Houston Texans, 24-21 on a last-second field goal.  This dropped the Packers to 5-8 for the season, and, for all practical purposes, knocked them out of the playoffs.  I'm sure the Packer faithful will start to think what might have been....

The Packers were coming off a 13-3 season, having won their division handily, and were one win away from the Super Bowl, a loss to the eventual winner, the New York Giants at home.  

Then the soap opera started.  First, Brett Favre, the Packers QB for the past 16 seasons, decided it was time to retire.  The Packers, who had drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005, were prepared.  During the offseason, the Packers named Aaron Rodgers the starting QB for the 2008 season.  Second, Brett Favre decided he wanted to play in 2008.  Nothing wrong with that.  Only that he had "lost" his starting job to Aaron Rodgers.  No way a future hall of famer is going to be carrying a clipboard for an untested, essentially rookie QB.  Not after the season Favre just had had.  After much ballyhoo, the Packers traded Favre to the New York Jets.  In return, the Packers received a conditional draft pick.  For now, it's a fairly safe bet that it will be at least a second rounder.  The Jets, who finished a lousy 4-12 season, now having found their "saviour", then released Chad Pennington.  Of course, the woeful Miami Dolphins, having just completed a miserable 1-15 season, and desperately needing some talent, promptly picked him up.

So there we have it.  The Packers make a "crazy" move, going with untested Aaron Rodgers, over Hall of Famer Favre.  The Jets, in need of a new direction, trade for Favre and release Pennington in a debatable move.  And the Dolphins, well, got lucky.  Pennington is a dramatic improvement over any Dolphin QB.

Ok, so that's how we all thought about it back in the beginning of the season.  So, let's take a look at how the decisions panned out, in terms of their actual performances.

The table at the top of this article shows each player's stats for the 2008 season, the 2007 season, and their career #s.

First, let's start with Rodgers.

He is having a very good year, despite the team's troubles.  His QB Rating is a robust 92.1 (league average is 85.3), and his CMI is 0.560, about 0.4 standard deviations above the mean of 0.538.  Not bad for being a first-year starter.  Compare him to three other first-year starters here.

Now, let's take a look at Favre.

He had a career year in 2007.  His QB Rating of 95.7 was only exceeded in his MVP years of 1995 (99.5) and 1996 (95.8).  His third MVP year, 1997, his QB rating was 92.6.  Favre's career QB Rating (leading up to the 2007 season) was 85.0.  It has since improved to 85.9 through 13 games of the 2008 season.  In terms of his CMI, 2007 was by far and away, his best year (0.581), eclipsing his previous best of 0.561 in 1995.  Given that it had been a long time since he had put up that kind of #s, it would be reasonable to assume that it wouldn't necessarily continue into 2008.  Well, he's having a (surprisingly) outstanding year in 2008.  His QB Rating is a healthy 88.2, and his CMI is 0.577 (almost as good as last year).  Is he why the Jets have improved?  Hard to say.  Especially, when you take a look at what Pennington has done this year.

Pennington's #s:

Chad is easily having his best year since his first full year in the league, in 1992.  Back then, he produced a QB Rating of 104.2 and a CMI of 0.644.  Only Tom Brady in 2007 (0.647), and Hall of Famer Troy Aikman, back in 2003 (0.645), have had better seasons.  This year, Chad's #s are a QB Rating of 93.7, and a CMI of 0.618.  Compare these to his career #s of 89.7 and 0.578.  By the way, Pennington's career CMI of 0.578 is the all-time career NFL mark.  Next is Steve Young at 0.565.  Pennington's #s are also, needless to say, a dramatic improvement compared to those of the 2007 Dolphins (QB Rating of 67.4, and CMI of 0.484).

So, what does this all mean?  It means that the Packers weren't crazy when they decided to put their faith in Rodgers, the Jets decision is debatable in giving up a 2nd round pick in 2009, and exchanging a QB who, while having an outstanding year, is not doing as well as the QB they gave up on, and the Dolphins got awfully lucky to end up with Pennington.