C Scores for Current Quarterbacks

I thought it might be illustrative to show you C scores for all the quarterbacks who qualified in 2009.  With Kurt Warner retiring at the end of last season, it is certain that not all of them will qualify again in 2010, and, almost assuredly some of the remaining won't qualify in 2010.  The difficulty in looking at these players is their body of work.  Not all of them will have a C7 score, our standard measure.  That being said however, it is still worth a look.  Instead of simply limiting the list to those that have a C7 score, we will look at all of their C scores (C1, C4, C7 and C10).

Here's what the list looks like:

Not too many surprises here.

Did you expect someone other than Peyton Manning to be the best passer in the game today?  If you did, I'd love to hear from you, and I'd like to see the analysis.  Peyton Manning is one of the all-time best (see here and here), and most certainly the greatest passer of his era.  Based on C7, I currently have him 7th all-time (C7 of 644), right behind both Fran Tarkenton and Len Dawson who are tied for sixth at 646.  He has an outside chance (I'd say about 25%) of catching Sammy Baugh, who is 5th with a C7 of 654.

In the article I wrote on Kurt Warner (see here), I showed that Warner compares favorably to players like Drew Brees, and Tom Brady.  In my recent post formally introducing C scores I suggested that as far as the Hall of Fame, that Warner appears to be right on the fence.  I certainly would make the argument that Ken Anderson should be in before Warner.

In that same article I also discussed Tom Brady and Drew Brees.  I think if they both played long enough that they would both be in the HOF, and I'm fairly certain that Brees would end up as the better passer.

As far as the next group of players, certainly Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers appear to be on their way to becoming good passers, although they've still got a few years ahead of them before we can make any definitive statements.

And finally, looking further out in to the future, I'd say that Matt Schaub is an up-and-comer, and, really taking a flyer, perhaps Aaron Rodgers can parlay his early success to be considered a great passer.  Only time will tell.

Better Than Jay Cutler

A lot of noise this past month about Jay Cutler. First, the Denver Broncos' new head coach, former New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, apparently tried to work a trade to get Matt Cassel from the New England Patriots. This apparently didn't it well with the Pro-Bowl quarterback. After a lot of posturing from both sides, Cutler was eventually traded to the Chicago Bears for Kyle Orton and draft picks. This post isn't about who was right or wrong in the fracas, or which team got the better end of the deal in the trade. This post is about answering the following two questions:

1) How good is Jay Cutler?

2) Are there quarterbacks with similar experience that are better than Jay Cutler, and, if so, who are they?

The table below ranks each of the 30 quarterbacks that threw enough passes last year to qualify to be ranked. The ranking is based on CMI, and not the NFL's quarterback rating system. In numerous posts prior to this, I have discussed why CMI is a better measure of a quarterback's passing performance than the NFL passer rating system.

Just looking at last year, the year that Jay Cutler got named to his first Pro-Bowl, he was, by this measure, a below-average quarterback. His CMI of 0.536 was (0.14) standard deviations below the mean. It should be noted that even though he was below average relative to all quarterbacks in 2008, it wasn't unexpected. Previously, I discussed the notion of performance improving with experience. So, if you were to look only at quarterbacks and their second year performance, their average is (0.21) standard deviations relative to the mean. Relative to that measure, he actually did better than the typical second year quarterback.

Let's take a closer look at the table above. The last 2 columns indicate the # of years the quarterback has played since he first qualified, and the total # of years he has qualified. So, Cutler has played 2 seasons where he threw enough passes to qualify, and this is second consecutive year of being qualified. There are six other quarterbacks in this table who have similar experience.

They are (rank in parenthesis):

Jason Campbell - WAS (5)

Matt Schaub - HOU (7)

Trent Edwards - BUF (8)

David Garrard - JAX (12)

Jay Cutler - DEN (16)

Derek Anderson - CLE (30)

Of the six quarterbacks who were in their second year (Garrard has the most experience of all the quarterbacks, even though he has only qualified in two years), Cutler only outperformed Derek Anderson of Cleveland in 2008. Ok, so 1 year does not make a quarterback. Let's take a look at these six quarterbacks and see how they've done in each of their first two (qualifying) years.

According to this table, both Garrard and Schaub have outperformed Cutler in each of 2007 and 2008. And, arguably, over the two-year period, so did Campbell. The only quarterback in this class that has clearly underperformed the rest of the group is Derek Anderson. He will not last long in the NFL.

Admittedly, it's difficult to judge a quarterback after his first two years. But, so far at least, there appear to be several quarterbacks that have outperformed Cutler. It will be interesting to watch this group over the next several years, and especially Cutler, as he will be with a new team.